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Buying new sea kayaks

Last post Mon, Jul 07 2008, 8:42 by TonyR. 27 replies.
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  •  Wed, Jun 18 2008, 7:59 15391 in reply to 15073

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    Robby,
     
    Please accept my apologies for not showing last Tuesday 10th, contrary to our arrangement.  I'm afraid my father in-law died on the Sunday so all was in confusion at home.
    How about next Tuesday 24th?
     
    I'm still waiting to know how much we have left in the kitty for a new boat.
     
    Please send me an email as I have very limited acess to the website.
     
     
    Regards

    Nick the Younger
  •  Wed, Jul 02 2008, 6:03 15671 in reply to 15391

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    Like Jon I'm typically reluctant to turn 3 uncomfortable but functionable seats into 1 comfortable seat, however I trust Nick and Dan (etc)'s judgement that if a boat is truly neither sea- nor river-worthy, and cannot be made so without unreasonable cost, it is of no use to us, and should be removed. The sea section has been mandated to sell these older boats for whatever they can get since their proposal was agreed earlier in the year. If the Basin wants them, that could make the process easier. If not, ebay or the scrapyard.

    We are about to embark on another spending round - spending meeting is set for next Tuesday 8 July. The total budget I am working off for 2008/2009 is about £7,500 - £8,000. If we assume that the sea section can have half of that (which I doubt anyone would argue against) that gives a tidy £4,000 to spend on new boats, plus the unspent carry-over from last year. If a new boat is around £700 (?), it looks to me like we can get 6 - 7 new sea boats in very short order. If the other sections have modest spending plans there could be even more dosh available. There is no need for unnecessary arguments or to break open the piggy bank. We just need to figure out where to put all these new sea kayaks.


    Lars
    THCC Treasurer
  •  Wed, Jul 02 2008, 6:16 15673 in reply to 15671

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    A brand new Valley (Aquanaut LV/HV, Avocet,Nordkapp) all cost 1K.   With the £5700 I am sure you could do a very good deal and get at least 6 or 7 brand new boats..

     

     

  •  Wed, Jul 02 2008, 7:25 15678 in reply to 15673

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    It would be worth considering the valley aquanaught 'club' edition as it is cheap (around 700 quid) and requires little or no skeg maintenance, which is our major on-going problem with the sea boats. Its not perfect[1] but its its cheapness and cord based skeg might outway its issues.

    also see : http://tornarsuk.blogspot.com/2007/03/valley-aquanaut-club-pe.html for some comparisons and thoughts on some plastic boats

    I'd love to see a mix of boats but it makes maintenance harder. But as Lars said, we need somewhere to put the boats before we but a load :)

     

     

    [1] the plastic footrest rails will need replacing at somepoint for metal ones. Unless valley has sorted it themselves the skeg rope holder will need to be filed down. the thigh rests are fixed and may not suit everyone.

  •  Wed, Jul 02 2008, 7:36 15680 in reply to 15678

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    The Committee's gesture of allocating cash to buy new boats is very welcome. The three or four sea kayaks which are not really suitable for the Club might not raise very much money (maybe no more than £1,500 in total) and could be gifted to the Basin - this would enable both the Basin and the Club to increase the number of sea kayaks available at any one time on the water, although some would have to be restricted to the basin.
  •  Wed, Jul 02 2008, 14:56 15694 in reply to 15680

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    Just to be clear - the Committee isn't allocating money to anyone at this time; it's not witihn our remit to do so. That will be for the spending meeting next Tuesday to decide, where we will have input along with all the reps.

    I'm simply estimating the total budget and am speculating that the funds the sea section could have available for this year could be around £4000, plus the £1350 carried over from last year, giving a total of £5350. If we indeed go for the lower maintenance club aquanauts we could get 8+ of them provided the section has no other substantial spending requirements and we get a wee discount from the vendor.


    Lars
    THCC Treasurer
  •  Thu, Jul 03 2008, 1:17 15698 in reply to 15694

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    LarsH:

    £4000, plus the £1350 carried over from last year, giving a total of £5350.

    My 5,700 was based on the same idea,  I had assumed they had £1700 carried over from the last spending review, but obviously some of that has been spent on stuff.

    Either way  there is the possibility for lots of new toys (providing is gets accepted at the meeting).  But I would suggest, whoever is given the purse it is worth considering going directly to a supplier and striking a deal (ie.  one free boat!!)

     

  •  Thu, Jul 03 2008, 4:33 15704 in reply to 15698

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    Geoff:
    But I would suggest, whoever is given the purse it is worth considering going directly to a supplier and striking a deal (ie.  one free boat!!)

    And remember the traditional 'bung'!


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    Wide, deep, unsullied Thames, meandering glides,
    and bears thy wealth on mild majestic tides.
  •  Sat, Jul 05 2008, 4:41 15758 in reply to 15671

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    LarsH:

    Like Jon I'm typically reluctant to turn 3 uncomfortable but functionable seats into 1 comfortable seat, however I trust Nick and Dan (etc)'s judgement that if a boat is truly neither sea- nor river-worthy, and cannot be made so without unreasonable cost, it is of no use to us, and should be removed.

    Apologies if this has been covered - but did we consider recycling a couple of the non-seaworthy Pilots  as swimming pool trainers ? These could be a good step up from the rotobats for realistic rolling and self-rescue practice. Stuff the ends full of bubble-wrap (or air bags) and the leaky bulkheads then don't matter...

    TonyR 

  •  Sun, Jul 06 2008, 15:08 15764 in reply to 15758

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    One problem might be the width of the turns on the stairway up to the storage area. Seal launching would only solve it one way
  •  Mon, Jul 07 2008, 7:33 15790 in reply to 15758

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    Great idea Tony,
    It hadn't occured to me.  I think the Pilots would be a useful in the pool, so long as we can fix the leaky hatches, knee braces and back rests.
    ...which I'm sure we can.
     
     

    Nick the Younger
  •  Mon, Jul 07 2008, 8:22 15795 in reply to 15790

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    nickJ:
    I think the Pilots would be a useful in the pool, so long as we can fix the leaky hatches, knee braces and back rests.
    ...which I'm sure we can.
    Learning to roll is learning to roll whatever boat you go in. Sea Kayaks seem easier to roll than playboats for example, and probably need less of a 'hip flick' - though the experts here might be able tell me about any other subtle differences. Pool boats are probably adequate to begin with, but then as you get more successful it's probably more important to move onto a boat that won't leave massive bruises on the legs, ie a club boat with reasonably good thigh pads. Not sure we need to keep the Pilots just for this, if they have no other redeeming features, and getting them up the stairs at the pool might be awkward.

    O London, see
    Swelling with naval pride, the pride of thee!
    Wide, deep, unsullied Thames, meandering glides,
    and bears thy wealth on mild majestic tides.
  •  Mon, Jul 07 2008, 8:42 15796 in reply to 15795

    Re: Buying new sea kayaks

    Martin K:

    Not sure we need to keep the Pilots just for this, if they have no other redeeming features, and getting them up the stairs at the pool might be awkward.

     

    The reason I think it's interesting is that these boats have bulkheads and sealed compartments, so they float even when the cockpit is swamped. That means they can be used for realistic self-rescue practice. ("cowboy" re-entry and re-entry-and-roll).These things are now in the 4-star sea syllabus, so are the next area of practice for our growing population of 3-star sea paddlers.

    You can also use them for straight rolling practice - where they are a bit "harder" than the rotobats - but "easier" than some playboats.

    I can see that the stairs are a problem, though..

    TonyR 

     

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